Mild Score for Q

Hello,

I'm just getting started officially today :-) I have my supplies and I've been "practicing" eating the right foods (but not too strictly) over the last few weeks. This should be an easy to remember start date!

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had advice about how long I should stay in phase 1 if my score is only 53. My only symptoms are:

1) Recurrent vaginal yeast infections over the past 5 years, but last year was especially bad. I got a mild one almost every month (except a 2-3). They are easily treated with coconut oil/garlic ice cubes that I insert vaginally, but they still arrive without fail shortly after ovulation every month. I had good success in the past with Dr. Crook's diet, but I couldn't keep it up for more than 1 month or 2.

2) A few other mild symptoms that may or may not be related: forgetfulness, tiredness, mood swings, sugar cravings, etc.

So I was wondering if you guys had advice on how long I should stay in phase 1 and how quickly I can procede to the other stages?

Thanks so much :-)
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Hi Gemma,

Welcome to the forum. This is a great place to be!

One of the reasons you want to stay with the same antifungals is that the yeast becomes resistant to the current antifungal, so in theory you don't want to switch too often. For me, I had a very high score and I realized my symptoms were coming back, so I switched at 6 weeks.

Are you talking about the products or the diet choices? I think 3 months in phase one would give enough time to see how your body is improving. For me, that yeast was very difficult to keep at bay in the beginning.

Good Luck! Let us know how it's going. Tarilee, our moderator, is off this coming week, but may have some words of wisdom when she gets back.

GayAnn
Michelle70 & GayAnn

Thanks so much Smile

I was feeling a little discouraged already and its so nice to come here and already have friendly replies! Hubby is discouraged that there's so much I can't have. "You should at least be able to have coffee!" Haha. I'm a coffee fanatic.

I'm feeling a little foggy headed today. I'm not sure if its the lack of coffee or the effects of the purge drink. It seems to be strongest after the purge drink, but I'm planning to make a very yummy dinner in a little bit with my new fav avocado!

Thanks again!!
It does take a little bit to get used to this diet. You may also want to search die-off symptoms. As the yeast dies off, you will feel a little sicker and sometimes more than a little sicker. It took me a few tried to really commit to this diet. What a fool I was. Going through die-off more than once.

My husband and I found that there are many foods that we didn't eat, that are delicious and much healthier. It just takes getting used to. It was a bit overwhelming to me at first, but then it becomes a lifestyle, that will enhance your health for years to come.

My mom died of ovarian cancer, and I found this site in an attempt to keep my stomach from bloating - one of the first signs of ovarian cancer. I knew for me if was candida, but I needed to rid myself of that to recognize any other symptoms. Yes, it does feel like there's lots you can't eat. And it's overwhelming and foreign. But I cam to look at it as an adventure. A journey. And I'm boosting my immune system because I don't eat all that junk any more.

My husband has been very helpful, because I was quite sick. And I could hardly stand the TOXIC GAS that went with the candida! LOL So he jumped on the band wagon right away. And the fact that I had more energy for SEX didn't hurt either!

I hope your husband comes around. It is so different than the way most of the fokds in the US eat. But it does get easier!

GayAnn
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Originally posted by GayAnn:
It does take a little bit to get used to this diet. You may also want to search die-off symptoms. As the yeast dies off, you will feel a little sicker and sometimes more than a little sicker. It took me a few tries to really commit to this diet. What a fool I was. Going through die-off more than once.

My husband and I found that there are many foods that were new, that are delicious and much healthier. It just takes getting used to. It was a bit overwhelming to me at first, but then it becomes a lifestyle, one that will enhance your health for years to come.

My mom died of ovarian cancer, and I found this site in an attempt to keep my stomach from bloating - one of the first signs of ovarian cancer. I knew for me if was candida, but I needed to rid myself of that to recognize any other symptoms. Yes, it does feel like there's lots you can't eat. And it's overwhelming and foreign. But I came to look at it as an adventure. A journey. And I'm boosting my immune system because I don't eat all that junk any more.

My husband has been very helpful, because I was quite sick. And he could hardly stand the TOXIC GAS that went with the candida! LOL So he jumped on the band wagon right away. And the fact that I had more energy for SEX didn't hurt either!

I hope your husband comes around. It is so different than the way most of the foks in the US eat. But it does get easier!

GayAnn
Thanks again GayAnn!

I'm feeling better today. Last night I noticed that I felt "fuzzy" for about an hour after the purge drink and then I felt better. I'll look up die off symptoms too.

Funny enough I feel okay after my AM purge drink and didn't notice any fuzziness this morning or yesterday morning. I have experienced die off symptoms in my past (failed attempts) to rid myself of candida, especially with diflucan-WOW! My poor head could hardly think after I took that :-(

Good for you being so proactive with your health! I'm ashamed to say that if it weren't for the severe inconvenience of getting YI's I might not of even tried this.

Hubby is very supportive of me trying to get better, but he doesn't understand why the program is so "mean". I've explained the starving process to him and why cheating only sets me back. I think he's slowly getting it. Its not a diet -its a fight against a living, changing, super adaptable organism. I studied yeast in micro last year and I kept thinking- that's so incredible, but Darn you!! Haha.
Hi Gemma and welcome,

Your husband will get the idea. My fiance said the same thing and was kind of dismissive of being so strict. But as my various symptoms have slowly improved, he's become convinced, and is now my diet police! If I eat a blueberry, he says, "are you sure you should be doing that?!"

My main complaint was/is the same as yours. I started out with a moderate score as well. I can't remember now, but I do think it was higher than yours, more like 125 or something.

My approach has been to follow the diet stages and the antifungal phases strictly, even though my score was moderate. My feeling is that I don't want to go through this all again, so I'd rather do it thoroughly the first time.

I do move through the phases a bit more quickly than they say here. I noticed that my symptoms were returning after about 6 or 7 weeks on a phase, so I've been changing phases at 7 weeks. I just finished 6 weeks with phase 3 and have decided to go back to phase 1 just to have a little additional cleansing.

I've also opted to eat a mostly stage 1 diet all along. I eat a small bit of fruit occasionally, but I really keep to the limits for stage 1 otherwise. I just feel better that way. I know it sounds crazy to you now, but the day might come when you'll feel better without eating rice at all!

I know I thought everyone on here was nuts when they said things like that. And here I am saying them too!

Keep your eyes on the prize!
Curly Sue, you hit the nail on the head! I thought others on this site were nuts, too. Cranberry juice without sweetner? yuk! Now I have it all the time. Our tastes change and we realize that feeling good is so much better than eating treats.

Gemma, so happy it's going a little better for you! I never had much luck with diflucan. Well, I probably would have, but I never had a diet to go with it. I needed these products and this diet to find success. And believe me, I tried many times.

Now that it's been 3 years I'm not so strict with the diet. Moderation is the key word now. But I keep coming back here to keep me on the straight and narrow.

Keep us posted!

Gay
Hi Gemma,

I think staying at stage 1 for 3 months is a good idea. When you are just starting out it is good to go slow with the antifungal and purge drink to let you body get used to it. While the diet is limited at first, you can add more limit foods as you go along so it does get better. Die-off is hard to deal with and if your symptoms get too difficult to handle, just back off on the antifungal and keep taking the bentonite and psyllium until you feel better.

This process can be hard for family members too as they don't like to see us limiting our diet so much or losing weight too fast but once they see how much better we feel I think they come around in their thinking.

I have come a long way in terms of my symptoms but I still have work to do. Just stick with it and post the forum anytime you have questions. This is a great place to come for support and advice. Everyone here is just wonderful Smile

Hang in there...
Mary
Curly Sue I like your attitude! I tend to err on the side of caution but one thing that I've been learning is that this regime is a process. I'm eating things now that I would have turned my nose up at just 6 weeks ago. And I'm happy with most of them!

I picture a spiral with perfect food choices as the "bulls eye" in the center of the spiral. Every day I wind my way along that spiral and get closer to where I want to be. Jumping from the outer edge to the center wouldn't work for more than a meal or two. Doing it slow and steady means fewer slip ups and a better chance of maintaining good food choices over the long run.

I DO struggle with some things but I believe I struggle LESS doing it this way.

Without this Forum though, I'd be toast. And not the candida-safe, made with cabbage kind of toast but the white flour, yeasty, I'm gonna make you beg for mercy in an hour, toast.

Hooray for the Forum!
Exactly, I.G. It's a process, which is sometimes hard for me to remember if I stumble across something that brings on a setback. I get so angry with myself for not being "perfect," so I have to try and remember that mistakes are normal and part of the process.

If we didn't make "mistakes" after all, how would we know that we react to eggplant, or eggs, or stevia, or whatever?

I still haven't tried the cabbage-based bread. I really need to do that. I even have the cabbage in the fridge. Roll Eyes
Thanks again for the info and encouragement! You guys are GREAT :-) I think my die off symptoms seem to be less. The only problem is small headaches, but I'm pretty sure that is mostly due to coffee w/d. I had the same problem in the past when I went cold turkey with coffee. I've been subbing in one Awake (black) tea each morning and green tea in the afternoon. After my headaches get better I'll kick the black tea to the curb also. In fact, I'll probably drop the black tea habit this saturday. I'm getting used to the diet pretty easily. I already was what you might call an alternative eater, so I'm already pretty familiar with "Hippy food" as my dad affectionately calls it. I love sprouting all things, make my own green juice/smoothies, love every veggie, eat mostly organic, etc. I love making zuchini noodles on my mandolin in fact, I just made the most amazing raw marinara sauce last night and ate that with zuchini noodles. Yum. I also figured out a fun "soda" like drink that I can have when hubby is drinking his. I add a few drops of alcohol-free vanilla to selzer on ice. I could probably add some coconut water to that also! Hmmmm...I must go investigate this cabbage toast of which you speak :-) Thanks again wonderful people!!!
I just love the sound of your last post! My dad thinks I'm strange too. Especially if I drink hemp milk! He's sure I'm doing drugs! Ha!

I didn't quit caffeine cold turkey because I can't stand headaches. But I don't like coffee, so I took caffeine tabs - GASP! I was so tired all the time - for years - I had to. But then one day I forgot to take them. And life was good!

You sound better already!

Gay
Oh well naturally drinking hemp milk = doing drugs :-) Haha. I shudder to think what my dad would think of me sprouting my own wheatgrass, making homemade nut milk, and growing kombucha. I still haven't had the guts to tell him that I don't eat meat anymore (nevermind my split from his religion- yipes). My mom is so fixed in her ways I can't even convince her to buy romaine instead of ice burg lettuce. I did however get her to include red pepper strips in a veggie platter- but THAT was pushing it ;-)

OH! And I figured out my headaches are partially due to the caproyl. I omitted it this morning and I felt 100%. Then, I added it in to my 2nd purge drink and the fuzzyness started again with a light weird headache. I'll probably eliminate it for a day or two and then use a really really small amount. Its funny, but it makes me happy to feel how this is working, even though it hurts a little. I think my coffee w/d is pretty minimal due to the huge amounts of tea I've been drinking (Green and Yerba Mate only today) On a happy note, my clothes already fit a little better! Yay!!
Ya, I love my clothes fitting better. It really helps to have a different kind of perk. In the past, I had great luck with Dr. Crook's diet and I lost about 15 lbs easily. I probably could lose about 25 lbs and still be in my healthy weight zone.

Today is 1 week and counting...Hooray!!! elephant bouncepink banana
Hi there Gemma!

I'm back to my Tuesday and Friday schedule again. I suggest you visit our Getting Started section,especially the welcome post. You'll find all the introductory information there about length of phases etc.

Here's a link to it:

http://forum.wholeapproach.com...=907108565#907108565

Let me know if I can help you as you read through here...

Take good care,

Tarilee
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