"Health Nuts?"

Hello everyone,

Here is post from a thread started many years ago by a veteran member named Jan Durand. She Jan raised an interesting point when she commented that most people on this site, though perhaps deeply into health at this time, have not always been that way.
 
 
A bunch of health nuts?

Jan made me realize how true it is that some newcomers may see the Whole Approach forum "crew" as a bunch of extreme “healthnuts”. This when so many of our members have spent much of their lives living unhealthy lives. Truly many people here started on board with habits of sugary soda pop, fast foods, packaged junk food and deserts and mega doses of sugar and food additives in their diets.  Some of these same people have found great  empowerment and self actualization through in their new ways and are, as a result, are now very passionate about them. 

I think that Jan displayed profound perspective in her comments. She was also kindly empathetic in her concern for those just newly considering the ideas expressed here. Jan's point was that it may be reassuring newcomers that most of our forum members can relate to how different their health passions may seem from where ever people may be coming from. 
 

Once they've stuck around for a bit, our loyal members realize that this program is not about a form of nuttiness.  Rather, it’s about learning a healthier way of living in order to achieve a full recovery and it's about reclaiming our quality of life and our control over our health.

 

Change is possible for anyone

So many people on our forum now and in the past weren't always excitable when it came to new ways of making a healthy food tasty or a a gluten free muffin stick together. And, they were far from health fanatics when they came on board.

Relating to others

Those who might count themselves among the already 'converted' (to health enthusiasts) endured some growing pains as they changed their lifestyles and diet. Many experience a temporary alienation of friends and family in the process. It's strange but even though we're transitioning to a whole foods and natural products healing program, it seems UNnatural to many.

 

Here we can make the distinction between natural and normal and between normal and conditioned. It's natural for us to eat foods that are naturally produced and minimally processed. As the 'Green' Revolution that took us towards agrochemical farming norms, and as corporate food processors began supplying convenience food to our busy families, we have become conditioned to think that chemical mega-farms and packaged, processed foods are normal.

 

Nutritional Evangelism

An explanation of your struggle with yeast, candida, CRC, Candidiasis etc to people in your life a requires care and thoughtfulness and, in many situations, may be best avoided. If you have to say something, a simple explanation that you have some  digestive and allergy problems and need to choose your foods very carefully will likely be enough for most people. 

 

Almost inevitable, for us once we start feeling the benefits of our diet changes, is a of what I call “nutritional evangelism”. This is when we each become a “born again nutritionist”. If you find yourself in this role, I recommend you take a deep breath and do your best to pause and consider the wisdom of focusing on your own healing rather than trying to change others.
 
Hint- the glazed look that come over a person's eyes as they shut their minds off to “too much information” is a good cue that you may have over-shared  
 
If you continue speaking too strongly against the way they themselves likely think about food, you run the risk of being labelled “paranoid” or “kooky”. When our awareness is at a level greater than those around us, we need to learn to be artful about sharing information in a way that others can relate to so they are not repelled. As long as we are not seeking agreement with what are our own personal decisions/choices are, then we can probably resist getting entwined in an effort to sway the minds of others. 
 

Sharing in small bites 

If you know someone very well and if you feel they will listen with authentic concern and a non judgemental mind,  you might want to tell them what you've been exploring. Still it's usually best to try to give short, summarized 'sound bytes' and allow them to ask questions rather than overwhelm them with information.This is easier said than done.

 

Leading by healthy example
Even your dearest loved ones may have some trouble adjusting to your new interests, passions and preferences. It will no doubt challenge them to some degree practically (as they try to figure out if they should worry about you and how they can feed you with your new choices), and perhaps philosophically as well.
 
Keep in mind that they do not have your symptoms and so are not motivated to change the way they eat in the same way you are. Likewise, they may not be as excited by the things you learn about food as you are. They will likely have a limit to the amount of information they want to hear about food.

As we experience our own personal health revelations, it can be very tempting to want to change those around us, especially those we care about deeply.  All we can really do to influence others is to quietly, confidently change in front of them and hopefully our success will provide a positive model. We can only come to realizations about our health care and diet when the time is right for us. As most of you have already realized, making changes in diet is one of the most intimidating lifestyle improvements we can take on. 
 

If you need like-minded comrades to talk through your discoveries and mysteries with, you can come to the Whole Approach forum. 

 
We'll be here
To those who are ready for the true, deep commitment that it takes to pursue lasting health, your forum friends are here share your  experiences and inspirations with.  Jan, thanks for reminding us to that everyone is at a different place of awareness as they visit or join us here on the forum. 
 
Each of us will start when they are ready and from where we are at.

Walking with you on your path to health,

Tari-Lee
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Hey Tarilee,

That was a great post...another one of those that maybe should go in a permanent place..where all newbies or browser's are looking. Yes

I gave you a 5 for this one! elephant

jan Cool

ha..i just reread this, sounds like i'm being the forum "ratings team"! i didn't mean it that way.... No
You two are just too funny! Thanks for the belly laugh!!!!

Jan,

Thanks! Hey, you can rate me or cheer for me any day! You've always been an awesome supporter and you've helped so much to make my job so much more easy AND pleasurable! I could maybe put that post in the Candida Related Complex FAQ's, but what would I call it? Say, "Are you guys all a bunch of health nuts or something?" or maybe "Change yourself and don't worry about changing the world?" Ok, tell you what...as soon as I/ or we come up with a subject line for this one, we'll set it up as a permanent post.

And Jennelle,

I hope your vacation was excellent! And thank YOU for the five! Oh yes, and “yep – been there, done that”…the “wasting my breath” thing. How do you think I figured it out?! And I’ve watched many, many others do exactly the same thing….even sometimes to ME! Hee hee! It’s really funny when that happens and sometimes I just listen, just to see how far they will push even when I am offering some agreement. We’re funny creatures us people but at least in the case of those of us who want to change the world, we’re passionate about something. Without passion and without dreams we lack a purpose in life.

So about a name for the post????? Maybe I’m just not feeling very creative here, or may I’m just pretty sure that you guys can come up with a better name than I can. Your suggestions are appreciated!

Cheers team!

Tari-Lee
Tarilee,

I would just call it "We Are Not Health Nuts". That should draw some attention! Yes

Vacation was good. I posted my return on the "vacation" thread. Jan, I can't believe you missed it as much as you are on here! Razz

I have a 2-year-old here screaming at me "I want to take a bath!"... "Mommy! I want to take a bath!" (Sigh.) Rolleyes

So I have to go or lose my mind,
Jenelle
I like that Jenelle. Thanks a lot. Smile

I'll wait to see if we've got some more suggestions and then maybe try to combine the ideas raised if it seems appropriate. I think your headline is a very effective one and it will get some attention. I'm going to give this a few more days since the forum has been quiet lately and once I've seen the other feedback, I'll decide on a final subject line and then post it up in the FAQ section.

Cheers to creative thinking and thought-provoking, click-stimulating-headlines. Wink

Tari-Lee
How about:

"What is a Health Nut?"

Maybe I was wrong to say "We are not Health Nuts". Maybe we are. But that isn't a bad thing, you know! My guess is that whoever made up this phrase, "health nut", was trying to make themselves feel better about their way of living by making fun of ours. Wink
Hi guys,
It seems like whenever a person becomes engrossed in something that the rest of the population doesn't understand they are called 'nuts' or 'freaks.' I think what we want to do here is 'dispel the myth' behind the term 'health nut.' Fact is we are 'health nuts' so to speak, but it's the definition of this word that folks need to gain understanding into. If they all had ears to hear, and knew what we've learned, I'm sure they'd board the health nut train themselves! :0)
I like "What is A Health Nut" or how about "Health Nuts Demystified" only we'd need a better sounding word than 'demystified."
Happy creativity everybody, -joejoe
Great points guys.

How about this?

Heading:
Are we all healthnuts?

Sub heading:
Healthnuts?... nutritional evangelists?...or just regular folks on a quest for quality of life?


Feel free to continue to add your ideas, I am totally open to new ideas here. I think this this discussion represents a very important sharing that may encourage newcomers to visualize their new, healthier lives.

Thanks for continuing to add your input here.

Cheers.

Tari-Lee
Hi Tari-Lee,
I like your first one "Are we all health nuts?" You could use that in the title, and then the question below "are we all health nuts or..." could be your theme on which you expand, and base your thoughts around, like incorporating this into what you've already written?
-tc, joejoe
What about something like...

health nutz VS. health consciense....but another word instead of vs. (ha..like joe joe said)

Or Wat is the difference between an health nut or being health "consciense"? but that's not very catchy is it?

oh well.... Smile we'll keep thinking...
This is may be a helpful thread to read when you are surrounded by family and friends who live differently from you. Be strong and love yourself in the way that you know you need loving.

Find your own way.

Warm loving wishes for a festive, inspirational, enlightening and self-loving holiday season.

Tari-Lee
Tarilee..

Hey this is jenn and I am a complete newbie....I am glad to read your post...very important info for people who are new to this process....I have read a lot of the posts on this site and although I haven't posted much I find it extremely helpful to read how others have dealt with similar issues...

I do feel that I had to make a CHOICE in my life...after waking up one morning last week feeling like I was going to die...I said to myself are you going to do this or not....along with the changes in my diet...I have been experiencing bad die-off...I did get some milk thistle which is helping immensely...Saturday, yesterday I woke up and felt absolutely horrible....I have been a smoker for a long time, but yesterday I just knew I had to quit...along with giving up everything else I quit smoking...one might think this would be overwhelming..BUT...I feel great and relieved to have these things gone out of my life...

well, thank you for listening....

any suggestions on how much milk thistle to take..mine is in capsules......I don't know the dosage...

Jenn
Oh, how I nodded my head and rolled my eyes while rading the "nutritional evangelism" part!
Let me top all of you by saying that my hubby and I got saved AND became health nuts all within about two years' time. Think anyone wanted to be around us??!! HAHAHAHA! We were telling everyone everything, all at once. I bet when we left people needed a drink...and probably a bag of Doritos, LOL (You, know, something, unhealthy, just for spite... When I think of the dazed look on their faces, hee hee...As if they were hit by a truck driven by aliens! gas Anyhoo, I am a crazy gal, as you can all tell. Hope everyone is having a great day and may we all be zealots in our own right and in our own time! bounceflames I am a proud healthnut, and yes, I, too, wish I had been more 'silently effective' for the healthfood movement... Roll Eyes
May God Bless, Heather
Thanks, Ashley!

That's my handle on the Morgellons support site, as well. We battled that this summer. I still think it's just Candida overgrowth plus a parasite, but don't let me get on THAT soap box!! haha

My handle...my hubby came up with that for me. Because that's how everything came to a head. I started itching uncontrollably ALL OVER. I couldn't sleep at night. I'm sure at that point everything was being exaccerbated (sp?)by the parasites. Uggghhh...I felt like a dog with fleas..

You know, I bet if others who criticize our lifestyle were ever as sick as all of us... and then could experience health from eating better...they'd wanna do it, too. It's just their innocent ignorance that puts them off. But don't you just want to hit people over the head, sometimes?? hahaha...in the most loving way, of course...

OK, maybe the urge is only awful when I see children gulping down gallons upon gallons of Kool-Aide...or worse, DIET COKE (UUGGHHH) and their mothers simultaneously tell me they can't figure out why their child is so... hyper/dyslexic/depressed/angry/eczemic/itchy/sick all the time.
You suggest it could possibly be fungal, and they say something like, "No, he just has respiratory problems..." At this point, if I could, I would put an emoticon for me banging my head against a cinder block Smile Some people get it, others don't; an unfortunate fact of life! I thank God Almighty or the knowledge my family and I have gained and pray for those who haven't yet.
Love to all,
Heather

(Oh, BTW, this is not UNDERCONTROL Heather. I noticed her name is Heather, too. Different gal.)
Hello Forum Members,

I am a new member in Phase 1, who has been busy reading all the valuable information on this forum over the past week.
Although I am new, I am very familiar with Candida and this type of diet/lifestyle. I certainly don't consider this program "nutty" or extreme. However I have realized, as many have probably also learned, that it is sometime easier be silent about my problems than engage in a debate with friends and family.
Tarilee's point that "If friends or family are truly interested and impressed with your progress then they may ask with genuine curiosity. THIS is a good time to share a little bit of what you’ve learned" is very astute. I have had a hard time explaining to friends and family my need to find "alternative" and more natural approaches to my health problems.
However, this presents another problem: considering that Candida is a major problem for women in particular and I believe a cause of many "women's health issues", isn't it a little sad that this condition is so difficult to discuss and really not on people’s radar? I know of a several people who could no doubt benefit from this lifestyle (including my sister who has chronic migraines, is 75 lbs overweight and who has recently had her gallbladder removed) but broaching this topic is too difficult because I am considered "flaky" for being interested in holistic approaches. Frown

Thanks for creating such a wonderful compilation of information and supportive environment!
Meredith and Meridith,

You both have awesome names!!! Meridith, I'm happy to hear that you're already on board with the idea that natural approaches to health are only "natural." It's so funny to me now that they are labelled as alternative as to me they seem like the only way that makes any sense.

Welcome to both of you. Meredith I think I already posted the welcome link for you but I'll put it in here for you Meridith.


Welcome to our forum

I look forward to sharing and comparing ideas with both of you as you pursue your health goals. Smile

All the best to you,

Tari-Lee
Thank you for all the information about candida diet and lifestyle. I have just recently found out that I have this condition about 6 months ago. It was a huge shock and relief at the same time. I have been battling the symptoms for a long time and just been pushed onto different antibiotics for many years. So it was a huge relief to finally find an answer but a huge shock to find out what I can eat. The worst part was I found out 1 month after turning 21 which so sucks.Frown

I have been trying to be strick on this diet but being in college (in engineering) has been really tough to deal with. I don't have much time to research and cook all of these wonderful meals and snacks. And having roommates who don't have the same issue and deal with the stress with chocolate ice cream (which I use to) has not made this easier. In the last three weeks I have regrouped and started researching again. I got some new supplements and detox program that was suggested by a natural nutritionist which has helped a lot. This websit has been a huge helps as well.

I have learned this is a huge lifestyle change and 100% mental. If anyone has any great ideas about how to deal with craving and staying mentally stong through this chaning period in my life.

Thanks so much
~Elisha
Hi Elisha--and congratulations on at least beginning your cleansing program. This takes time--time for preparing your food and time for acclimating to a new and healthier diet. It's not easy by anyone's estimation, but it can be done.

When i first started here I was always amazed at how the people on this site found time to work, take care of children, and cook properly for themselves to keep to this diet--I honestly didn't know how I would do it. But years later, here I am--in school myself, working full time, and cooking up a storm besides!!

The key for me is picking one weekend day to do all of the week's cooking and then freezing most of it in little containers and taking them out as needed. i also cut and wash all my veggies, make rice and freeze it--all so i can come home and spend less than 8 minutes making my meal. Without this, I'd never stick to the diet--and the diet's become such a part of my routine that i wouldn't be without, regardless of the prep work involved!

In any case, give yourself time to get used to it all and keep aware of all the good your doing for your body!

Take good care,

Ashley Big Grin
Hi Elisha,

Sorry to have missed your first post. Ashley's given you a great welcome with some really good ideas. Our website is designed with your needs in mind so I believe that you will be able to discover lots and lots of customized support here. I'm going to post our welcome post for you because we have added a lot of links to it to help folks like you make sure you find all the most important introductory information about our products, site and program.

Here it is. I'm here Tuesdays and Fridays to answer any questions that may come up for you as you read through all this information. if you decided to move ahead with the program, I'm happy to do what I can to help you find your way.

Take care,

Tari-Lee

Whole Approach welcome post
Hi. I'm new to this website and new to the realization that I have candida too actually. I've been on the candida diet for 1 month and 1 week now and I already went through 1 die off stage. My room mates and my boyfriend were initially very confused. One room mate actually told me during the die-off phase that my diet wasn't working and maybe I should try something else. And I had to have a little chat with my boyfriend to let him know that this is serious and not just a fad and I need his support and would appreciate if he did some research. Luckily he listened and has been very supportive since. Fortunately my mom has fibromyalgia and goes back and forth on the candida diet so she is very supportive (she had been telling me to do it for a while but I didn't really listen/understand until I started getting arthritis in my knuckles and got annoyed and did some research and started that day).
This website is really helping me out though. Just reading everyone else's comments reminds me that I'm not crazy and that I will be healthy one day. And it's kinda funny to think that so many doctors and specialists wanted to remove my adnoids or burn the lining of my nose just to stop my constant sniffling and that the allergy specialist thought I was crazy for going since I'm apparently not allergic to anything.
For so many years people would ask if I'm sick because I was so congested and always sniffling (I still am, but it's getting better for the most part and I know it will get better in time), or they would ask me why I had such a poor immune system. And those were only the symptoms that people could actually notice...the rest I just kept to myself and wondered why I was like this.
So what I'm trying to say is that I really appreciate this website and having all of u for support now.
Some of our newer members may be coming to the point in your health discoveries that you want to share them with others. I thought I'd pull this great discussion up for you to offer you a few giggles and perhaps some inspiration.

Take good care,

Tarilee
Thanks, Tarilee, for bringing this up to the top. The best part of this forum is knowing there are others going thru this too, and all of us sharing how we cope.

I liked Ashley's idea of beinging able to get dinner ready in 8 minutes. Like many others, when I need to eat, I'm STARVING!! I've told many people that if the whole U.S. would have to eat like this, no one would be fat, because it takes so long to prep!

I got a few chuckles from these posts. Thanks!

Gay

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