Candida Krusei

Urgent need for HELP!!!

A family member has been told they have Candida Krusei in the gut

(found in stool) at a Pre-Pathogen level (2+).  I've combed the web

and found very little to treat it with as it's very resistant to most drug

and natural anti-fungals. All I find treatment protocols for is for the

blood-borne type and the prognosis is poor.  It also can form Biofilms

and appears to be very rare to have this (1 to 3%) although I don't

know if many people have small amounts of it.  The probable cause

was steroid intake or the very low gut bacteria diversity due to past

intake of many antibiotics for strep.

I read about Diatomaceous Earth, Nattokinase, Lumbrokinase and

BFB ! and 2 as Biofilm busters.  NAC is mentioned here and there 

to bust Biofilm as well.  What do you think of them? I also read that

one must reduce calcium, magnesium and iron intake as Biofilm

uses them to build its matrix.   That seems dangerous for bones

unless it's short term.  Also, the Marshall Protocol mentions the

Vit D receptor and says to curb Vit D intake, take low dose anti-

biotics and anti fungals and some other suggestions. It says the

problem involves the Th1 receptor. 

To say the least, we're overwhelmed.  We have no doctor to go

to who knows what to do.  The gastro doctor didn't ever have a

diagnosed case of this till now, so she has no protocol for it.

We don't know how fast this yeast grows or turns pathogenic,

so it's scary.  If you don't get it all, the part remaining is stronger

and more resistant to the treatment used and there's little to start

with as a treatment.

 

What do you know about it?

Original Post

Hi there Rosette,

 

Welcome to the Whole Approach forum,

 

You've posted on a public forum so you may find readers replying who have had personal experience with Krusei.

 

Here at Whole Approach we're better versed in candida monilla also known as candida albican. I don't know if the natural anti-fungal cleansing products recommended and sold by Whole Approach have been verified as effective against the Krusei strain. 

 

I do have a laboratory textbook in my  office that I can consult on your behalf to see if there are references to Krusei. I'm currently away from my office but will send a reminder to myself to check for you tomorrow in case I find some relevant insights for you.

 

With such a serious condition I would seek out medical doctor's specializing in fungal conditions. There is a doctor in the UK you may wish to book a consultation with. Dr Da Vinci

 

There is also a Dr Klinghardt, who may or may not offer phone consultations. Both of the above are MD's. They may support you in incorporating the proven products used here (see below) but they may also have special protocols for Krusei.

 

Make sure you draw the products here to their attention. The Whole Approach treatment program is unique to products that these doctor's are associated with. Whole Approach has not contacted them yet to offer our products for their protocol though I believe some of our products to be quite superior to the options they use. Our liquid Caprylic acid, mixed with liquid clay and a special blend of psyllium seed and husk is the core product blend offered here (as part of a five phase protocol).

 

The Whole Approach Product Protocol- The Five Phases has a long history of success with clients with candida fungal issues. I see the Dr Da Vinci product protocol includes some similar products including a pill form of caprylic acid. Since caprylic acid is perceived by the body as a toxin it is quickly routed to the liver for removal so it provides less colon-specific support than the liquid therapeutic gel matrix scrubbing formed by the Whole Approach products. 

 

Please let me know how these leads work out for you. You can private message me about this (by starting a private discussion) unless your message is directly related to Whole Approach diet and product protocol.By the way, regardless of the type of candida your family member has, the diet recommended here will provide essential support for balanced blood sugar, yeast deprivation and and anti-inflammatory, immune supporting diet.

 

You may also find some of Whole Approach's other quality products useful in this healing journey. 

 

As I say, I will look up Krusei in the text book I have and can also provide you with the information about the book if it serves useful to you.

 

I wish you grace and luck on this journey and hope you will tell me how it is going for you.

 

All the best,

 

Tarilee

 

 

I'll see if I can scan a few pages of the text book with references to krusei and post for you. It is called Candida and Candidiasis edited by Richard Caldrone and published by America Society for Microbiology.  I do not have the latest edition. You'll want to research which is the latest and try to get that or get your doctor to get ahold of the related information.I would think that medical University Libraries are likely to have it on the shelf.

 

 

Hello Rosette,

 

Please let me know if you can't find this research in your area. The software for my scanner has gone corrupt. I will be fixing it over Christmas but for now I don't seem to be able to do multi-pages. The information is not really medical or insightful about treatment, more about laboratory verification and behaviour of the krusei. If you are really stuck, I could go over to a nearby colleague's office to copy/scan some of this for you.

 

Here's hoping you're finding useful information and support.

 

Warmly,

 

Tarilee

Rosette posted:

Urgent need for HELP!!!

A family member has been told they have Candida Krusei in the gut

(found in stool) at a Pre-Pathogen level (2+).  I've combed the web

and found very little to treat it with as it's very resistant to most drug

and natural anti-fungals. All I find treatment protocols for is for the

blood-borne type and the prognosis is poor.  It also can form Biofilms

and appears to be very rare to have this (1 to 3%) although I don't

know if many people have small amounts of it.  The probable cause

was steroid intake or the very low gut bacteria diversity due to past

intake of many antibiotics for strep.

I read about Diatomaceous Earth, Nattokinase, Lumbrokinase and

BFB ! and 2 as Biofilm busters.  NAC is mentioned here and there 

to bust Biofilm as well.  What do you think of them? I also read that

one must reduce calcium, magnesium and iron intake as Biofilm

uses them to build its matrix.   That seems dangerous for bones

unless it's short term.  Also, the Marshall Protocol mentions the

Vit D receptor and says to curb Vit D intake, take low dose anti-

biotics and anti fungals and some other suggestions. It says the

problem involves the Th1 receptor. 

To say the least, we're overwhelmed.  We have no doctor to go

to who knows what to do.  The gastro doctor didn't ever have a

diagnosed case of this till now, so she has no protocol for it.

We don't know how fast this yeast grows or turns pathogenic,

so it's scary.  If you don't get it all, the part remaining is stronger

and more resistant to the treatment used and there's little to start

with as a treatment.

 

What do you know about it?

I´m from Neuquén Argentina, i have been diagnosted with candida krusei in october 15, the problem started in feb 15, i visited more than 9 gynecologists.

Things thats work:

- Terbinafine (I tooked x 3 months, the doctor says i can´t continue because afects the kidneys and the higado(i don´t know the english word).

- Boric Acid 600mg via vaginal ( control the situation but not resolve the problem)

- Lactocyd  soap (help but only local)

Things that i tried, but didn´t work

- Fluconazol 

-ovules all types ( lactobacilus, clotrimazol, metrodinazol/nistatina)

-olive oil

-coco oil

-arandanos

I´m worry because i finished the terbinafine a month ago and i only with the vaginal boric acid, and i think the krusei is in my throat, the doctor give some antibiotics because i started again with sinusitis ( and i know the antibiotics makes candida grows) I have been suffering from a lot of pain in my throat because i dont want more antibiotics.  I don´t know what to do or where to go.

I´m from Neuquén Argentina, i have been diagnosted with candida krusei in october 15, the problem started in feb 15, i visited more than 9 gynecologists.

Things thats work:

- Terbinafine (I tooked x 3 months, the doctor says i can´t continue because afects the kidneys and the higado(i don´t know the english word).

- Boric Acid 600mg via vaginal ( control the situation but not resolve the problem)

- Lactocyd  soap (help but only local)

Things that i tried, but didn´t work

- Fluconazol 

-ovules all types ( lactobacilus, clotrimazol, metrodinazol/nistatina)

-olive oil

-coco oil

-arandanos

I´m worry because i finished the terbinafine a month ago and i only with the vaginal boric acid, and i think the krusei is in my throat, the doctor give some antibiotics because i started again with sinusitis ( and i know the antibiotics makes candida grows) I have been suffering from a lot of pain in my throat because i dont want more antibiotics.  I don´t know what to do or where to go.

I´m from Neuquén Argentina, i have been diagnosted with candida krusei in october 15, the problem started in feb 15, i visited more than 9 gynecologists.

Things thats work:

- Terbinafine (I tooked x 3 months, the doctor says i can´t continue because afects the kidneys and the higado(i don´t know the english word).

- Boric Acid 600mg via vaginal ( control the situation but not resolve the problem)

- Lactocyd  soap (help but only local)

Things that i tried, but didn´t work

- Fluconazol 

-ovules all types ( lactobacilus, clotrimazol, metrodinazol/nistatina)

-olive oil

-coco oil

-arandanos

I´m worry because i finished the terbinafine a month ago and i only with the vaginal boric acid, and i think the krusei is in my throat, the doctor give some antibiotics because i started again with sinusitis ( and i know the antibiotics makes candida grows) I have been suffering from a lot of pain in my throat because i dont want more antibiotics.  I don´t know what to do or where to go.

Dear Alejandra,

I'm so sorry to hear what you're going through. This sounds very uncomfortable and worrisome. 

This forum supports people on the Whole Approach protocol that has been designed by a pharmacist and an acupuncturist to support reduction of candida albicans. The natural products used very different from and less harsh than prescription anti-fungals and they do tend to be broad spectrum. A wise path for you might involve interviewing Naturopathic Doctors to find one specializing in candida yeast issues. On the practitioners link on our home page you will find practitioners who utilize the products and diet supported here. I don't know how many of them are licensed ND's. 

Here's a post that will help you select the right naturopath for you. If your problem is gynaecological you may wish to find a women's specialist who is also well versed in fungal conditions.

I encourage you to read about the Whole Approach program as it may be helpful for you but I cannot offer any medical claims about it's effectiveness for your condition.

Here is a post about pharmaceutical anti-fungals and another one comparing pharmaceutical use with the use of natural products.

I wish you luck and I am here to help if you choose to pursue the Whole Approach products and diet.



Take good care,



Tarilee

Gracias Tarilee, sé que la cándida Abicans es diferente que la Krusei, he decidido comenzar mi propia investigación, sé que no tengo conocimientos médicos,pero he visitado muchos médicos y mucho no han ayudado tampoco.  He empezado a cambiar mi dieta, y ver como alcalinizar mi cuerpo. Hoy comencé  a consumir alimentos con vitamina B1, ya que leí que la cándida Krusei y la parapsilosis producen tiaminosa que destruye la tiamina, busqué información y descubrí que las semillas de girasol y la carne de cerdo poseen una buena dosis. Vamos a ver si funciona, la semana que viene veo a una doctora experta en nutrición para discutirlo con ella.

Hoy fui al medico clínico y le pedí un cultivo de la garganta, me dió para ver si son hongos o bacterías y me recomendó bicarbonato de sodio. Empiezo esta noche con eso.

Vía vaginal sigo con el acido borico.

Quiero atacar a este hongo por todos los frentes posibles.

Gracias por tus consejos.

Saludos.

Thanks Tarilee, i known that Candida Abicans is different from Krusei. I decided to start my own investigation , i known i don´t have medical knowledge, but doctor i have seen didn´t help much. I´m changging my diet in order to alcalinizaded my body. Today i start with food thats contain vitamine b1, i read that candida krusei and parapsilosis destroy the tiamina and i found that sunflowers seeds and pork meat have a lot.

Next week i´m going to visit a doctor especialized in nutricion to talk about it.

Today i visited my doctor and i asked him a  throat cultivation, i told him i dont want more antibiotis so im using NaHCO3.

Im still using boric acid via vaginal.

Thank you for the advises.

Kindest regars

Alejandra

Hi Alejandra,

It sounds like you've already found out quite a bit. I hope the links above additionally support you on your journey. Please let me know how you're making out and if you find resources you'd like me to share with others here. We have a section I could add them to.

Take good care and keep up the great work!



Tarilee

*Thanks Tarilee, i known that Candida Abicans is different from Krusei. I
decided to start my own investigation , i known i don´t have medical
knowledge, but doctor i have seen didn´t help much. I´m changging my diet
in order to alcalinizaded my body. Today i start with food thats contain
vitamine b1, i read that candida krusei and parapsilosis destroy the
tiamina and i found that sunflowers seeds and pork meat have a lot.*

*Next week i´m going to visit a doctor especialized in nutricion to talk
about it.*

*Today i visited my doctor and i asked him a throat cultivation, i told
him i dont want more antibiotis so im using NaHCO3.*

*Im still using boric acid via vaginal.*

*Thank you for the advises.*

*Kindest regars*

*Alejandra*

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